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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:24:01
very sweet upgrades

Doing free bails if you need bails just ask and if i got the money ill do it if you feel the need to pay me back it will go towards bailing others out thanks
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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:37:38
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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:38:20
For the love of god, Give us a merit reset

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:39:29
i do like the new system and you will get a thumbs up.

but i am really really sad and pissed off about the fact, that you never announced the changes in merrits for life upfront.
i have been saving forever.
even all my withdrawn bank merrits i still had.
and when i wanted to trade them in the possibility was gone.
thats pissing me off.

but yes, i do like the new system.
just not the way, how you introduced it.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:41:41
I had 65 merits saved up to use on life. I feel like I have been robbed of 100k life. Now I will never even break 200k life. See below for the why and not to mention those that already upgraded life to 300k with merits can now continue to get life up to 450k (10/10 on new upgrades even assuming the suckiest v1 system below).

The new system v1 [adding percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 0.05 (5%) * 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) + 77583 (my life) = 116,375 life points (gained 38,792 life)

OR

The new system v2 [multiplying percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 1.05 (assuming accumlative effect) ^ 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) = 126,375 life points (gained 48,792 life)

VS

The good old system = 50 (merits for comparison) x 56 (my level) x 50 (multiplier) + 77583 (my life) = 217,583 life points (gained 140,000 life)

Dont go suggesting for me to save merits up after making a change like this. If you want something in this game it seems you take it as soon as you x well can because you wont be able to get it later.

And those that say life is worthless in the current attck system is talking rot. I have the attack logs and seen the damage I am taken down by. A few hunded k or less damage almost every time:

http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15957595
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15762244
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15745996
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15724459
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15699164


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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:46:55
awesome:@ thumbs up

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:51:42
thats cool

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:52:34
Good job,really like the new update.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 19:54:12
New updates, kool!

No wait, kinda hate the Increase life upgrade. 5% and upgradable 10 times only? Thats a joke! How about the other guys who used all their merits up before the update and is now well above the 100k life (if they used it up at some high lvl, well above 300k!)

Hate to say it but, as many others pointed it out in the past, the new updates are hindering down new players (OK, im not that young I know) and creating larger gap with older ones.
Unfair I should be saying? Dont know if it would do much though.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:04:06
Crime success merits from non-incremental should be transferred into the new crime success incremental system,

As should merits people spent on stats. They should be transferred into the new system as incrementally passive. I feel that the immediate gains on 100% of the merits used on stats before is negligible in relation to total stats these days.

Don't really see a good solution to health transfer unless you reset health, but that is also unfair to those that saved health through medical.

Just my opinion.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:06:55
Thanks for doing exactly what you said you wouldnt do with the new life upgrade. You have completely screwed over every person who didnt spend their merits on life before the upgrade, and have given those who did use them before the change the ability to gain 100 new awards to spend on more life.

Once again Ched, a brilliantly well thought out update

edit-apart from that I like the rest, but that was one of the dumbest things I have seen you do

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:12:32
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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:15:22
Various upgrades.
Nice.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:15:27
Why do you keep changing the only things that were going well?

Many of us saved merits for life upgrades and you simply robbed us of that benefit in one massive sweep. You're not very far from a dictator, you know?
Some of the upgrades seem nice, but I can't trust any of your ideas anymore, sorry. In a few months you're going to ruin them too, no doubt.

Another thumb down for the mighty Ched and his team.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:23:26
reset our merits from the old system so we can use the new system....If this doesnt happen then the upgrade just plain sucks with images..

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:36:03
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wish I'd known this little change was coming to 'Life' upgrade, I'd have spent my merits on the old system, you get much less on this new system..... I took notice of the warnings to save my merits.... and looks like I've lived to regret it!

Same.

Even a 1 week warning that the upgrade was being removed would have been fair. Had dozens of merits saved for life when I hit level 65 and would have used some at 64 instead.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:39:22
just did some figuring. a level 30 using 55 merits on health will get him to just under 40k life with this system while a level 20 using 55 merits yesterday would have put them up to 65k life. just something to think about

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:40:36
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Looks good...

Each player decided what to spend their merits on with the old system & as far as I can tell you have NOT lost any of the previous benefits. So why would Ched credit you merits?

Players complaining just need to get over it and try living their real life for awhile because you are taking this thing WAY to serious!

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:53:58
i like it

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:54:18
Im confused on what "Constantly modifies life by +5%" means. Constant as in when, when I upgrade my level or what....

I have been level holding for awhile so does that mean if I upgrade I get 5% more life per each level I go up or what...

It would be nice if these 30 merits i have been sitting on dont go completely to waste...

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:55:04
Nice! I like it

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 20:59:50
good work Ched , but i think it's some bugs with past stats

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:11:02
By rapid_riser [262223]
I had 65 merits saved up to use on life. I feel like I have been robbed of 100k life. Now I will never even break 200k life. See below for the why and not to mention those that already upgraded life to 300k with merits can now continue to get life up to 450k (10/10 on new upgrades even assuming the suckiest v1 system below).

The new system v1 [adding percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 0.05 (5%) * 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) + 77583 (my life) = 116,375 life points (gained 38,792 life)

OR

The new system v2 [multiplying percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 1.05 (assuming accumlative effect) ^ 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) = 126,375 life points (gained 48,792 life)

VS

The good old system = 50 (merits for comparison) x 56 (my level) x 50 (multiplier) + 77583 (my life) = 217,583 life points (gained 140,000 life)

Dont go suggesting for me to save merits up after making a change like this. If you want something in this game it seems you take it as soon as you x well can because you wont be able to get it later.

And those that say life is worthless in the current attck system is talking rot. I have the attack logs and seen the damage I am taken down by. A few hunded k or less damage almost every time:

http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15957595
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15762244
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15745996
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15724459
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15699164


TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS

Something has gotta be done about this i been saving my merits till i get to level 50 so i can use them on life. If i had known this update would remove this i would have used all my merits on life boforehand. Either bring back the option to increase life by level x 50 or give back the merits for all those who have used their merits on life and reset their life to the natural life according to their level.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:11:58
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wish I'd known this little change was coming to 'Life' upgrade, I'd have spent my merits on the old system, you get much less on this new system..... I took notice of the warnings to save my merits.... and looks like I've lived to regret it!

Same.

Even a 1 week warning that the upgrade was being removed would have been fair. Had dozens of merits saved for life when I hit level 65 and would have used some at 64 instead.


Totally agree... I was saving merits myself. I had almost 70 merits saved up that I was planning on using towards health once I leveled up higher. Now I can only put a max of 55 merits into health...

I like the updates, but I don't think certain things that used to be non-incrimental should be incrimental now. Perfect example is health. lol.


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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:19:07
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Aw man, I wish I never wasted all them other merits:|o


Yeah..I wasted a few merits in the old Crime Success one (before I knew better)..and did it twice.
Now it doesn't show up on the new crime success bar..well..there goes all those wasted merits.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:19:53
well i like most of the updates...

i do agree all merits should be reset

this is the only thing i not sure of so far i have been doing the combat courses to have a 5% gain on weapons over the regular person..

now all some one has to do is buy or earn merits and can gain the % what about all the time i spent in collage courses????????????




is my 5% from them courses for each gun type going to combined with the merits????




so for example :

with a ArmaLite M-15A4 Rifle

60 damage and 70 accuracy



Gain a 5% increase in accuracy with Rifles course



1% per merit for increase (lets say)

that would be 10% increase

so total would be 15%



which would take the accuracy to 85

or

which would take the accuracy to 80.5

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:21:13
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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:24:09
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well i like most of the updates...

i do agree all merits should be reset

this is the only thing i not sure of so far i have been doing the combat courses to have a 5% gain on weapons over the regular person..

now all some one has to do is buy or earn merits and can gain the % what about all the time i spent in collage courses????????????




is my 5% from them courses for each gun type going to combined with the merits????




so for example :

with a ArmaLite M-15A4 Rifle

60 damage and 70 accuracy



Gain a 5% increase in accuracy with Rifles course



1% per merit for increase (lets say)

that would be 10% increase

so total would be 15%



which would take the accuracy to 85

or

which would take the accuracy to 80.5


Your course will be added with the merits. So if you leveled your merits up to level 10, you would gain that 10% (lets say) + your 5% on top of that.

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 21:50:00
beautiful update

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Posted on Tue May 04, 2010 22:02:46
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I had 65 merits saved up to use on life. I feel like I have been robbed of 100k life. Now I will never even break 200k life. See below for the why and not to mention those that already upgraded life to 300k with merits can now continue to get life up to 450k (10/10 on new upgrades even assuming the suckiest v1 system below).

The new system v1 [adding percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 0.05 (5%) * 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) + 77583 (my life) = 116,375 life points (gained 38,792 life)

OR

The new system v2 [multiplying percentage]:
(50 merits need to get to 10/10) = 1.05 (assuming accumlative effect) ^ 10 (fully upgraded) * 77583 (my life) = 126,375 life points (gained 48,792 life)

VS

The good old system = 50 (merits for comparison) x 56 (my level) x 50 (multiplier) + 77583 (my life) = 217,583 life points (gained 140,000 life)

Dont go suggesting for me to save merits up after making a change like this. If you want something in this game it seems you take it as soon as you x well can because you wont be able to get it later.

And those that say life is worthless in the current attck system is talking rot. I have the attack logs and seen the damage I am taken down by. A few hunded k or less damage almost every time:

http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15957595
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15762244
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15745996
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15724459
http://www.torn.com/attacklogs.php?ID=15699164


^^^^ This.
The new Life update isnt fair at all. I would like to think that you will listen to peoples views on this and do something about it.
The rest of the updates however i do like.

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